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I actually find chakra a helpful model for separating the unconscious mind into manipulable pieces. Though as you might expect my interpretation of its validity is purely on the basis of hypnosis rather than actual manipulation of internal energies. Chakra, none the less, was intuitively developed to make sense for a lot of people and is internally consistent, I'm not opposed to using a symbolic model where it works, regardless of its origins.
Yes to be blunt, attempting to use "chakra" to actually interact with your environment is delusional. And not a harmless one either since traditionally it's considered to be capable of the eastern form of faith healing.
when you do that, you basically get... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience
"Pseudoscience consists of statements, beliefs, or practices that claim to be both scientific and factual but are incompatible with the scientific method."
Pseudoscience consists of statements, beliefs, or practices that claim to be both scientific and factual but are incompatible with the scientific method. Pseudoscience is often characterized by contradictory, exaggerated or unfalsifiable claims; reliance on confirmation bias rather than rigorous attempts at refutation; lack of openness to evalua...
Science is empirical. This means that by attaching any presumption other than ones you can verify as fact you're actively doing it wrong. The only presumption Empiricism allows is the unfalsifiable core one: Reality exists; and can be measured.(edited)
remember back when people would talk about metaphysics in #metaphysics, rather than about how metaphysics is stupid? it feels like just a far off memory now...(edited)
The trick is to say things which are genuinely unfalsifiable rather than deluded. There is a difference between the two. They're both unscientific but the former is rationalistically consistent
2:22 PM
As mentioned, science itself is built on one presumption. There is nothing strictly true and observable in than reality exists - though there is evidence it can be measured there's nothing that suggests it can be measured consistently without relying on circular logic.
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But as a model, we observe that empiricism and science works better than the others.
I feel that Bre is right, however at the same time I think that criticism of metaphysics should be allowed in this channel so long as it's kept respectful. I have gotten a disrespectful vibe from a small number of the conversations in this channel ngl
Sometimes. But they can also be about codifying how we communicate, and that is the part that is important in the study of semantics. When semantics is used correctly the opposite effect from what you're describing can be employed and every conversation or ideal can be conveyed gently to any audience.
I missed the discussions about the symbolism in magic and how that could relate to unconscious feelings and such. While I don't believe in magic, I thought the symbolism in magic (from what little I heard about) was pretty interesting
Zen
The trick is to say things which are genuinely unfalsifiable rather than deluded. There is a difference between the two. They're both unscientific but the former is rationalistically consistent
I don't have a problem with criticism of metaphysics sometimes, but between , and Zen, it seems like whenever a good conversation about metaphysics is about to start, it's always interrupted and shot down
Chaos magic is entirely internally consistent since it is purely observational...
2:36 PM
The thing about magic is that is it is built on additional presumptions. These presumptions make them not empirical, but they remain rational.
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Though if magic-systems that aren't rationally consistent arise, those are the ones that I will contend. Like ones wherein you can hex or heal someone despite the evidence suggesting that doesn't actually happen.
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My position, I think is that magic is a perfectly fine belief system until it is used to ignore data.
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The abstraction doesn't matter so much as whether or not you are properly processing reality.
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And even then - not for any intellectual or abstract reason, but because the data actively suggests those who ignore reality get themselves hurt.(edited)
using metaphysics to get information is legitimate and still highly underrated but I think if it were useful for altering reality it would be a pretty frequent phenomenon, especially under hypnosis, drugs, and other common altered states of consciousness
What I think it's important to understand that it can only give you a true understanding of how human minds work. At the end of the day, no metaphysical system belief allows you to directly manipulate reality. But it will give you a model for changing yourself, and indirectly, others, if it is particularly complete.(edited)
3:42 PM
Reality itself is beyond our rationalism. It requires rigorous empiricism to get right.
even after I went through the door of psychosis it didn't seem like my beliefs had any bearing on reality unfortunately but I'd love to see otherwise
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but at the same time I've had extremely strong premonitions and other experiences that have benefited me greatly my entire life
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I can read auras to the extent I can't just say I'm making it up anymore
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gaining information through stuff like that is legitimate and useful
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its funny, when I used my unconscious to inquire of how to get powers it would say stuff like "you don't have the hands and feet for it," "don't inquire of it again"
I would encourage you to properly test your ability to read auras. From what I've seen, the practice is real and parallel to imposition in terms of skill. But it's not based on any real psychic ability.
People who are confident are capable of being charismatic to other humans. That's all it takes to manipulate someone. What does the belief that you can read minds give you if not confidence? But put the data to paper in scientific ways. Try to read the auras of people who are hiding their emotions but are willing to tell you afterwards.
3:52 PM
Comparatively, you should be no better at reading people than anyone else. If you can show this to be not the case, I'm not sure if it's still running but there was a scientist dude who was offering significant compensation if you can prove any of it.
Zen
I would encourage you to properly test your ability to read auras. From what I've seen, the practice is real and parallel to imposition in terms of skill. But it's not based on any real psychic ability.
People who are confident are capable of being charismatic to other humans. That's all it takes to manipulate someone. What does the belief that you can read minds give you if not confidence? But put the data to paper in scientific ways. Try to read the auras of people who are hiding their emotions but are willing to tell you afterwards.
I probably will test it, but up until now I haven't used it with color to gauge emotions, only to see the aura itself, but when I perceive it, it moves in a way I wouldn't make up or think to imagine, almost like a candle light over people's heads
3:53 PM
but I'm also pretty sensitive to the feeling of other people's emotions directly to the point I can say I can definitely use it to manipulate others, but I don't
Zen
What I think it's important to understand that it can only give you a true understanding of how human minds work. At the end of the day, no metaphysical system belief allows you to directly manipulate reality. But it will give you a model for changing yourself, and indirectly, others, if it is particularly complete. (edited)
i like sparing with u , so just for fun here is an argument against yours .....the mind wills it your limbs does the dance and your reality has changed just like that , many electron collisions later cascade to changes in reality on a big scale
Just remember not to make excuses for the data. =D
immortalbeggar
i like sparing with u , so just for fun here is an argument against yours .....the mind wills it your limbs does the dance and your reality has changed just like that , many electron collisions later cascade to changes in reality on a big scale
Oh no, it's a super popular song from the 70's, isn't it?
4:09 PM
It was at least good for its time
Breloomancer
I don't have a problem with criticism of metaphysics sometimes, but between , and Zen, it seems like whenever a good conversation about metaphysics is about to start, it's always interrupted and shot down
i don't get it, how is it interrupted? discussions get interesting when people of opposing views star talking, now when everyone agrees with each other
4:12 PM
criticism of criticism of metaphysics is more than welcome (edited)
4:13 PM
how can we decide what is true if people don't like when someone disagrees with them
and @yaya it all boils down to simple truths to manipulate people u need to detect changes in them body lang, their ideas , comprehension , whatever , and con your way into it . its doable and humans have been perfecting the art for ages , as for universe manipulation its mostly the diffrence of state of mind , for example if you feel lucky you will only focus on the good stuff and if you feel unlucky just blame it all on zen
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